Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/''Mitläufer''

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No consensus to delete, weak consensus to merge but no consensus for a target. That can be discussed on the article's talk page. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:11, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Per suggestion I moved the article to Mitläufer clobbering the redirect to Bandwagon effect. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:21, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

''Mitläufer''[edit]

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DePRODed by author claiming that this is a creation for a legitimate redlink. Concern was: Unreferenced. Wikipedia is not a dictionary Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference provided. Will provide others. Mfhiller (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)mfhiller[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is a start (or a stub if you will) toward describing an important topic related to the post World War II period in Germany, and those Germans who came close to collaborating with the Nazis. The concept here, analogous to "fellow traveller" when describing pro Communist relationships, is certainly an important and notable one. The article needs to be expanded and better referenced, not deleted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:01, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Mitläufer, which is currently a redirect to bandwagon effect. Article names should not include quotes. JIP | Talk 05:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is clear that we should get rid of the quotes. As the article isn't quite enough to stand on its own right now, we could also consider a merge to denazification. (Mitläufer should also redirect there if we merge). —Kusma (t·c) 07:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to fellow traveler, as this is a specific instance of that wider term. If we do the merge, we also should re-redirect Mitläufer to fellow traveler as the existing target doesn't mention Mitläufers at all.--Colapeninsula (talk) 15:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Denazification, where this term is mentioned. I wouldn't be opposed to a keep either, but only if there is a significant amount of material which could be used to expand this article. Robofish (talk) 21:57, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

as the author of the article in question, though it has already been expanded by another editor, I apologise for the objectionable quotation marks. can someone who knows how to change this do it? also, I would be happy with merging the article under either (or both) denazification and fellow-traveller. I would be even more happy if the term wasn't redirected to "bandwagon effect," which is only loosely connected. Mfhiller (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2012 (UTC)mfhiller[reply]

*Merge to fellow traveler. Also deal with redirect to "bandwagon effect." Mfhiller (talk) 02:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)mfhiller[reply]

Merge to fellow traveler. Independently, it has very less chances of expansion. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 04:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Denazification. Mitläufer (literally running with hence "lemming-like") was just one of five degrees of cooperation with the Nazis: Hauptschuldige (major offenders), Belastete (offenders), Minderbelastete (lesser offenders), Mitläufer (followers), and Entlastete (exonerated persons). Fellow traveler is more often associated with communism but one could add a See also or a brief German usage section. — John Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe, ^{Talk to me!} 13:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This degree is the most controversial one. It represents a particular interpretation of German behaviour during nazism, not similar to Communist fellow travelers. I already tried to expand the article, I'm pretty sure it is not over. Filinthe (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Filinthe. This is an especially controversial classification of German behaviour during Nazism that although the article may be subsumed under denazification probably deserves a separate article provided that it is expanded. Should definitely not be merged with the article "fellow traveler" as there is no relation with the sense in which it is used to refer to communist fellow travellers. Mfhiller (talk) 03:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)mfhiller[reply]
Keep per Filinthe and Mfhiller. really controversial topics are almost always notable. Like its antonym, sisu, this word entered the English language in the 1940s, and remains a relevant topic today; once notable, always so. Bearian (talk) 21:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.